Sri Bhagavan Skype
call
Denver, Colorado
December 4, 2010
http://vimeo.com/17492472
PLEASE NOTE: The questions are not
audible on the audio. Also, portions of
Bhagavan’s responses are not clear on
the audio, so we’ve done the best we can
to re-create with as much accuracy as
possible.
1. Bhagavan, in the states of awakening
and God Realization, is there no longer
any individual karma or conditioning
playing out and influencing one’s
perception of reality? Is there no
longer any shadow or unconscious
influence at all? What does it really
mean, Bhagavan, when it is said that the
self is no longer there?
Once you are awakened, and you’re in the
awakened state, you are declutched from
the mind. The mind is there, but it has
no role in coloring your perceptions,
because you experience reality as it is.
However, when you’ve got to be
functional, and the mind is required,
the mind comes back-- and the mind is
the same old mind, with its
conditioning, which is the karma that is
involved, subconscious, and all that
stuff.
So you could be awakened, but still have
the same old mind, which would
influence… It could influence you… and
how you’re functioning… Therefore, what
could happen also… you could respond
very differently, based on your
conditioning, which includes of course
karma. Therefore if you have to improve
that behavior, even though they’re
awakened, they (might) still behave in a
bad way, which means you have got to… So
that does not mean you are free of karma
if you’re awakened… only as long as
you’re awakened and you’re in that state
and not exactly functional, you are free
of it. But when you have (these
external) issues, it does come back, for
a few moments of course. And then it
goes away.
So we have to work on that also, which
we would be doing in fact.
2. In the natural state, we are not
thinking so much about our lives, but
rather feeling and experiencing
everything as it arises. In awakening,
we have seen that there is no longer any
personal suffering, however it appears
that collective pain nonetheless
continues to flow through us. Can you
please clarify?
Once you’re awakened, you get easily
affected. What we mean by that is the
other person’s suffering easily affects
you. For example, if your awakening is
very deep, if somebody is physically
hit, those marks could appear on your
body, or you could even experience the
pain. So what happens is you lose your
thought shield, and once you lose your
thought shield, you are tuning into
everybody’s consciousness.
So the collective suffering does affect
you, that’s why you would sometimes find
awakened people weeping. They’re not
weeping over any personal suffering. You
could be having a bombing somewhere, and
as people are dying there, this person
here, thousands of miles away, could be
found weeping. So that way the
collective karma of pain does affect the
awakened. In fact it affects them more
than the unawakened.
3. Bhagavan, there are many people here
this weekend who are new to Oneness. Can
you please share with them the essence
of this phenomenon and our core
teachings?
The essence of this phenomenon, as it
happened in 1989, along with its
revelations, was that the divine and man
would be getting closer and closer until
finally they become one. The Divine
becomes human and humans become the
divine; man and god become one, that is
the essence of this phenomenon. The core
teaching is that you are god. Or you
might say you are “all that is”. There
is no more division between you and god.
That’s what is going to happen as this
awakening proceeds from 2012 onward--
man would have become god, like Christ
said, “I and my father are one”.
Everybody would be saying that-- I and
god are one-- so that is the core
teaching.
4. Bhagavan, can you please give us
guidance on how to stay humble and
focused on helping others rather than
becoming overly fascinated with our own
personal states of consciousness? Some
in our movement are concerned that the
dharma is being used as a way for the
separate self to find significance and
specialness, for example in talking so
much about one’s “state” and one’s level
of awakening or realization.
We believe this is a passing phase and
once the new process is introduced
sometime in January/ February, I think
people would be moving into such high
states that these things would naturally
drop out. This I think is part of the
growth process. It’s happening in many
places, we don’t have to worry about it
because they will soon come out of that.
5. Bhagavan, what is the role of the
Divine Feminine and especially of Sri
Amma during this final 13th phase of our
work?
In this process, two energies are
involved—the male and the female
energies, which flow through the ida and
pingala nadis. Bhagavan controls the ida
nadi and Amma controls the pingala nadi,
and we always work together, because we
must make use of these male and female
energies as they’re flowing side-by-side
along the spinal column. And these two
energies have got to be used to bring
about this neurobiological shift. So
Amma plays that role. Sometimes let us
say we would agree or we would disagree
on what needs to happen and if I prove
to be a little tough, Amma might say oh
no, let’s be more considerate. This kind
of thing might take place between us.
It’s a matter of how to handle the
person’s karma. So we can’t do it on our
own; both of us have got to work
together.
6. Bhagavan, there still seems to be
some confusion in the minds of many
Deeksha Givers about what awakening
actually is. And especially how it
relates (or doesn’t relate) to “higher”
or “super” states of consciousness and
God Realization. We realize you’ve
answered this question many times over
the last year, but could you please help
us to understand this at a deeper level?
Awakening is a journey; it’s not a
destination. Now, in January and
February, when we start this process in
you, this process is expected to
permanent. And irreversible. Now
normally we use different terms. But
when the process commences, we say the
awakening has happened, we say you are
awakened, because the process has been
initiated, and the process is “on.” But
the process could stop or reverse
itself. Now there is a point, and once
the process crosses that point, it is
permanent and irreversible. It continues
until death and beyond death. Once that
happens, we use the word “fully
awakened.”
Now, the process may now and then be
giving you peak experiences. The process
that is going to be offered to you in
January/ February… at any time you wish
you could a get peak experience, move
into super states; everyday you could
move into super states, every hour you
could move into super states. Super
states do not mean awakening. Super
states (are different from) awakening…
For example, if you are to be
continuously in a super state for 21
days, on the 22nd day, you would quit
the planet. That’s all. That’s all
(laughter). So it has to be used very
judiciously, which we are going to give
you the freedom to get into these super
states as and when you wish to get into
them, with inbuilt safety valves; that’s
why if you all do it, it will
automatically stop.
But super states do not have to happen
to become awakened. To be awakened is to
be on this journey. It should be borne
in mind that it is not a
destination—enlightenment, awakening,
Mukthi is not a destination, it is a
journey. It’s a very beautiful journey;
when you get into the journey, by
yourself you would know what it is.
7. Bhagavan, will you be giving us these
states?
Yes, of course. We are giving you a
process where almost at will you could
go into these super states.
8. Some of us, Bhagavan, do not have a
personal relationship with the Divine or
God in form. Rather, we relate to this
greater intelligence through formless
qualities such as love, light,
emptiness, or spaciousness. As a result,
some of the teachings lately are
difficult for us to relate with, e.g.
the cleansing of the feet of the Divine
during bhakti yoga. Can we still become
God Realized, Bhagavan, if our
relationship with the Divine is not
personal and is without form? Will this
type of formless relationship stand in
the way of us receiving the full fruits
of this path with you and Amma?
It’s perfectly fine to have a formless
Divine and relate the way you would like
to relate. And you would still become
awakened, you would still become God
Realized. In fact when you would be
coming there in January, we would be
offering you two distinct processes. One
we will be calling Oneness
International, the other would be called
Oneness Indian. So it’s up to you to
come to whatever you choose to. The only
difference would be the Indian process
would be much, much faster. The other
one is still… the (Indian one) is very
fast, that is all. So it depends on how
fast you’d like to travel, the total
freedom is yours. So, you could choose
whatever you wish.
9. How do we relate with doubt,
Bhagavan, in a way where it can become
fuel for awakening, and not a hindrance
on our path? How can we use our own
natural intelligence and discernment to
discover what is real and true, not
merely believing in something out of the
need to preserve or maintain the ego?
The time for awakening has come. And
it’s probably only now two months away
or so. So we are just going to… the time
is now, the power is going to be
unleashed. And I’ve often told you we’ll
wait for some time, otherwise we would
bring in the “cosmic bulldozer.” I think
it’s time for the cosmic bulldozer to
just bulldoze.
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